NMJ derailments

New 11Feb2014, updated 18Feb. This blog note is in group Models

NMJ rolling stock derails too often

I have problems running the Norsk Modelljernbane rolling stock on Märklin tracks. This goes both for old M track and the new C track. My M track is not ideal but the C track is. On both layouts the NMJ rolling stock derails too often, and the Märklin stock never derails. Of course I try to fix the rail, and it helps. I only have this experience with wagons.

NMJ Märklin wheels 1

One hypothesis is that it may be the wheel’s flange that is the problem. So I took the above picture. The specialists in the forum thread (below) agree that the flange is part of the problem.

NMJ Märklin wheels (2)

However, the long thread also says that it’s probably more the wider wheels wheels. They say that according to a NEM standard [03] standard (which was new to me), the NEM 340
[01] defines that two rail track should be wider! And the NMJ rolling stock is made for them. The standard says 14.4-14.6 mm for two-rail and narrower 14.0 for Märklin 3-rail. These measures are called back-to-back. More about NEM norms at [02] and MOROP at [04].

So I need to push the NMJ wheels narrower by some 0.4 mm. Then my old 1960-1970 M track turnouts will probably be less of a hinder. And minute misalignments in the joints of the small radius industrial curves (5120, diam 61 cm) will hopefully not catch the wheel’s attention! Stay tuned!

NMJ Märklin coaches NMJ Märklin wheel fastening

These two wagons have almost similar fastening. NMJ to the left, Märklin to the right. How the wheels are fastened to the body is of course also important. But these two wagons are quite similar.

NMJ Märklin train

See how nice the wagons are! Of course an old SBB Ae 3/6 II #10460 from Märklin never pulled a Swedish wagon, but it’s nice to look at. This is my static display at work, nice to look at when I sit and code! Having them there keeps me from the annoyment of the wagons derailing! But I now will take them home and try to rectify:

Märklin M-track turnoutHere we see my old Märklin M-track turnout. A Märklin wheel is seen. Here the NMJ wheels caught the center piece and derailed. But not after this exercise:

Decreasing model train wheel size back-to-back

A vice, two nuts and a slide caliper – and about a half rotation of the vice! Viola – minus 0.4 mm! I still have to go over the layout with a pair of flat-nosed plyers to get the wagons to run smoothly, even if this is not necessary for the Märklin rolling stock. So the flange does make a difference.

A smarter thing is to try to buy the rolling stock with “wheel set for AC operation” (A.C. or D.C. you know). Then you get both the flange and the width correct. I found some “wheels for DC operation” in one of my boxes. So I must have bought AC replacement wheels years ago, since some Roco wagons have correct wheel sets, not originally so, I read on the box. “DC wheels” will in addition be isolated, since it’s two-rail or three-rail that’s the real parameter for DC or AC in this case. When it comes to power technology, all are digital these days, completely removing the DC/AC as a parameter. Of course, Märklin 3-rail won’t need the wheel isolation.

Here is my layout, small – but as fun as my 1962 layout:

Layout Feb.2014

Finally, another matter: I noticed that I still had derailments – caused by NMJ and Märklin buffers being stucked in the industrial curve and then derailing when it came to the straight line. It seemed to be enough to introduce a Märklin wagon in front of the two NMJ wagons. Now, I have no derailments!

Questions and answers / Spørsmål og svar

Here is a thread I started at the Norwegian Model Railway Forum (norskmjforum). The text above is a short summary of the very long thread. Let Google translate it here.  (More forums here). Thanks to all the writers!

In Norwegian: Jeg har startet en tråd på norskmjforum: (flere fora her) “NMJ-avsporinger på Märklin skinner”, se http://www.norskmjforum.no/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8002. Det kreves ikke innlogging for å lese den. Diskusjonstråden ble veldig lang og lærerik, så du må absolutt lese den! Teksten ovenfor er et sammendrag. Takk til alle bidragsyterne for at jeg har kunnet “kokt” innholdet hit!

Norwegian summary / norsk sammendrag (mest for søketreff) :-: Rullende materiell fra NMJ Norsk Modelljernbane sporer lett av på eldre Märklin M-skinner og nyere C-skinner. Det er fordi flensene på hjulene er litt mindre på NMJ og avstanden mellom hjulene er litt større. Årsaken er st standarden NEM 340 sier at det skal være slik. Men ulempen for Märklin-brukere er at de hekter seg lettere opp i pensene eller i skarpe kurver hvor skinnene kanskje ikke passer sammen så godt som de burde. Så jeg presset hjulene sammen med litt mindre enn en halv mm (fra 14,4 mm til 14 mm). En skrutvinge og to muttere pluss et skyvelær var alt som skulle til. Men jeg måtte klemme sammen noen skjøter med en flattang for å få NMJ-vognene til ikke å hakke seg fram. Så viste det seg at bufferne på NMJ vognene hektet seg opp i Märklin-loket sine buffere i industrisporsvingen. Da ble det avsporing når de rettet seg opp. Men det var nok å hekte en Märklin-vogn foran NMJ-vognene. Nå har jeg ingen avsporinger!

References

  1. “Radsatz und Gleis für besondere Systeme – NEM 340”, see www.morop.eu/de/normes/nem340_d.pdf
  2. All the NEM standards are here: www.morop.eu/de/normes/index.html
  3. About NEM = “Normen Europäischer Modellbahnen” at Wikipedia, see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normen_Europ%C3%A4ischer_Modellbahnen
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2 comments on “NMJ derailments

  1. Tom Rosenblad on said:

    De vognene dine heter ikke coaches på engelsk. Det skulle ha stått “wagons” (britisk engelsk) eller “cars” (amerikansk engelsk). Coaches betyr personvogner på britisk engelsk og sittevogner på amerikansk engelsk. Dette til orientering slik at siden din blir korrekt!

  2. Takk for tipset! Da gjorde jeg det mest mulig UK-engelskt!

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